Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

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YamiLeto
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Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by YamiLeto » Sat Apr 03, 2010 12:51 am

First of all anyone else surprised as hell when Kaori was summoned to help in the fight? Second is she always at just the max level of the difficulty you're playing at?

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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by ABC123 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:46 am

The story have many inconsistency. Tokimi claims that when you become and Eternal everyone will forget about you except other Eternals but it was rather leaving the world that would cause people to forget you and it seems to be true in Lesteena's route. But in Aselia's route where Yuuto and Aselia is sent to Yuuto's world and when Takios and Temourin (?) left Phantasmagoria and when to Yuuto's world Yuuto and Aselia still knew them. And after Takios and Temourin left Yuuto's world he still remembered them. The game is a big fat liar.
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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by AQZT » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:49 am

Well actually, what happened was:
-Yuuto and Aselia leave Phantasmagoria
-Takios and Temuorin leave Phantasmagoria so everybody in Phantasmagoria forgets them
-Yuuto and Aselia return to Phantasmagoria
-Takios and Temuorin return to Phantasmagoria so everybody in Hyperia forgets them.
-Thus, the conclusion is that Yuuto+Aselia did not forget them
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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by ABC123 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:52 am

Well actually, what happened was:
-Yuuto and Aselia leave Phantasmagoria
-Takios and Temuorin leave Phantasmagoria so everybody in Phantasmagoria forgets them
-Yuuto and Aselia return to Phantasmagoria
-Takios and Temuorin return to Phantasmagoria so everybody in Hyperia forgets thefm.
-Thus, the conclusion is that Yuuto+Aselia did not forget them
Take note that Yuuto and Aselia were not Eternals at that time. So they should have forgotten about Takios and Temuorin when they left Hyperia Yuuto and Aselia should not remember them as they were still in Hyperia.

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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by AQZT » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:00 am

ABC123 wrote:
Well actually, what happened was:
-Yuuto and Aselia leave Phantasmagoria
-Takios and Temuorin leave Phantasmagoria so everybody in Phantasmagoria forgets them
-Yuuto and Aselia return to Phantasmagoria
-Takios and Temuorin return to Phantasmagoria so everybody in Hyperia forgets thefm.
-Thus, the conclusion is that Yuuto+Aselia did not forget them
Take note that Yuuto and Aselia were not Eternals at that time. So they should have forgotten about Takios and Temuorin when they left Hyperia Yuuto and Aselia should not remember them as they were still in Hyperia.
Why? I don't get what you are saying...
The game only says that everyone in a world forgets about Eternals as soon as the Eternal leaves said world. Yuuto and Aselia did not forget about the Eternals because they were not in the world which the Eternal left when the Eternal left.

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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by ABC123 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:05 am

Why? I don't get what you are saying...
The game only says that everyone in a world forgets about Eternals as soon as the Eternal leaves said world. Yuuto and Aselia did not forget about the Eternals because they were not in the world which the Eternal left when the Eternal left.
Your forgetting the fact Temuorin and Takios left Hyperia before Yuuto and Aselia did.

Everyone except Eternals will forget about Eternals who leaves the world they are in. When Yuuto and Aselia was somehow sent to Hyperia Temuorin and Takios went to Hyperia. And when Temuorin and Takios left Hyperia everyone including Yuuto and Aselia should have no memory of Takios or Temuorin as they were still in Hyperia and was not an Eternal.

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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by AQZT » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:08 am

It's never really stated that they returned to Phantasmagoria right after they beat Yuuto though... It's quite possible they only left Hyperia later...

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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by YamiLeto » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:12 am

ABC123 wrote:
Why? I don't get what you are saying...
The game only says that everyone in a world forgets about Eternals as soon as the Eternal leaves said world. Yuuto and Aselia did not forget about the Eternals because they were not in the world which the Eternal left when the Eternal left.
Your forgetting the fact Temuorin and Takios left Hyperia before Yuuto and Aselia did.

Everyone except Eternals will forget about Eternals who leaves the world they are in. When Yuuto and Aselia was somehow sent to Hyperia Temuorin and Takios went to Hyperia. And when Temuorin and Takios left Hyperia everyone including Yuuto and Aselia should have no memory of Takios or Temuorin as they were still in Hyperia and was not an Eternal.
Gotta love the game is lying theory seeing as how everyone in it seems to lie (especially Tokimi). But of course if the memory wipe only affect those on the world they left then it would almost seem like Kaori should have remembered Yuuto in most of the paths cause she was in Hyperia when he became an eternal.

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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by ABC123 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:31 am

There are too many things in this game that doesn't make sense. :roll:

Remember when Tokimi used her ability to rewind time to make everyone remember her went she left Phantasmagoria with Yuuto to get his sword ? Why didn't she use it to make everyone remember Yuuto as well. :roll:

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Re: Quick question on Tokimi's route...(huge spoilers)

Post by YamiLeto » Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:31 am

ABC123 wrote:There are too many things in this game that doesn't make sense. :roll:

Remember when Tokimi used her ability to rewind time to make everyone remember her went she left Phantasmagoria with Yuuto to get his sword ? Why didn't she use it to make everyone remember Yuuto as well. :roll:
I can only assume that the erasure because of the gate is somehow different. I guess you can think of it as if the trigger is leaving the world that since Tokimi rewinded time to before that they remember her so she preempted the trigger so no one forgot her. However forgetting Yuuto was different since the trigger was the gate rather than the action of leaving. This means unless she were to make it so he never entered the gate they couldn't remember him (of course this would mean he'd no longer be eternal too). Though to me it comes to a lot of misinformation anyways since Tokimi is a darn liar.....kinda hard to tell the truth of how everything works when most of the explanations come from her mouth.

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